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Talkabout Tuesday 07: Democracy at Sudbury School

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Election Day 2020 reflection on democracy as foundation rather than active daily principle. JC uses random selection for voting body. School meeting teams randomly selected to represent community without forcing attendance. Rules come from school meeting debates, creating buy-in. Democracy not about winning/losing but finding reasonable answers. Kids with sticks - trust in student self-regulation.

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0:00 Welcome to AI in the Air, Under the Tent, and Around Baltimore.
0:05 This is Talk About Tuesday, where I talk about some kind of topic related to Sudbury School
0:12 and I just go on at length and then I stop.
0:16 So today, it's election day, November 3rd, 2020, and I thought I'd talk about democracy
0:23 at Sudbury School.
0:26 One might think that democracy is a central idea at the school that's really the most
0:35 important aspect of what happens here, but it's really a foundation rather than an active
0:42 principle that impacts hourly and daily, maybe weekly.
0:49 But the, you know, so I think it's worth talking about that, that, you know, we use democracy
0:59 in the same way that all other governments and so forth use democracy in the sense that
1:08 it's just how else are you going to govern in a way that's fair and equitable to everybody.
1:16 But you know, most people don't actually want to deal with it.
1:18 They want to do what they're doing.
1:21 And only if something is really problematic or there's an opportunity or something does
1:26 one really get into the democracy aspect.
1:30 Now, one aspect of our system is our judicial committee, JC, which is, you know, very much
1:40 a voting process, but it's a select sort of voting body.
1:46 It's randomly selected each week.
1:49 Well, this year it's more chaotically selected, but it is randomly selected just because,
1:56 you know, people are here and not here and whatever.
1:58 So I have a system that kind of, you know, deals with that in some sensible fashion,
2:03 but more or less people just end up being there when they end up being there.
2:07 And there's no like real, you know, determining when that happens.
2:13 But so there's that sort of limited democracy and then there's school meeting where we also
2:20 have a team, but anyone can come to school meeting and vote and make motions and it's
2:26 much more open.
2:29 Now originally when I joined the school, there was no team for school meeting and oftentimes
2:34 it would just end up being the staff.
2:37 And you know, while it was functioning, it seemed disconnected.
2:44 And so we implemented teams and so, you know, now a selection of school meeting members
2:51 randomly come to school meeting and they figure out, you know, they're the ones voting.
2:59 And so then they also hear things and they transmit things and it's quite an effective
3:04 tool for making school meeting really representative while not forcing everyone to be there all
3:09 the time, which would just get a bit much.
3:15 Now what do we actually use our democracy for?
3:20 Well, first and foremost, the rules.
3:24 So these are, the idea of the rules is simply having a community that functions well and,
3:33 you know, safely basically.
3:35 So you know, our notion of safety, I'm watching three kids right now, you know, using really
3:43 long sticks and kind of attacking each other and they're being very careful about it.
3:48 But you know, one could imagine that most adults looking at it and be like, what?
3:53 You got to put that down.
3:54 You're going to poke somebody's eye out.
3:57 However, we trust our students that they're, and I can see that they're being very cautious.
4:07 And you know, and so our safety is one of, you know, really just making sure if lines
4:23 are crossed, we have a system that deals with it and so lines often do not get crossed,
4:28 right?
4:29 It's not about making sure nothing, nothing could happen, but that it's basically limited
4:36 and generally fine.
4:38 So that's what our rules are for, enforcing a decent kind of community interactions.
4:51 And so, and then, you know, where are the rules coming from?
4:56 Well, so JC is the one that says, okay, here are the rules that, you know, somebody might
5:05 have broken and then they vote on whether that happened and the person agrees whether
5:09 or not they broke it and then some consequence happens and call them actions and that's all
5:16 good.
5:17 But, you know, the rules are actually coming from school meeting and people talking, debating,
5:26 and it's really quite a useful way to get a lot of buy in to how the school works.
5:33 Just saying like, here are the rules, you got to follow them.
5:37 Oh, you broke some rules, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
5:40 It's not very, you know, it's not very useful at all, but, you know, when they become part
5:54 of the process, when they start saying, yeah, okay, here are what the rules say, yeah, that
5:59 applies.
6:00 Oh, no, it doesn't apply.
6:01 Oh, maybe it should apply, but it doesn't apply or maybe it shouldn't apply.
6:05 And then, you know, so some of those situations, you can immediately, you know, apply the rule
6:11 in just the way you want, that everybody agrees to and other times you need to go to school
6:16 meeting and change the rules because it was inadequate and that's basically, you know,
6:22 what the rule is.
6:23 Our democracy is not, you know, about just kind of like, oh, this is how you vote.
6:29 No, that's not it at all.
6:31 It's really about we need to be able to have a functioning community and this is how we
6:43 can do that.
6:44 And we all participate and we all get on board and we can see, you know, new students over
6:50 time.
6:53 They start understanding that one, breaking rules isn't like the worst thing in the world.
6:59 So then, they become honest about it, but then they also stop actually breaking the
7:05 rules, at least the rules that anybody cares about.
7:09 For some students, a rule being a rule means they're going to care about a period and that
7:14 usually involves changing the rules if no one actually thinks that that application
7:19 should be what happens.
7:23 Oftentimes we'll say, yeah, that rule is broken, but it shouldn't have been that way and so
7:29 it's, we just give a warning or something else, the action.
7:36 So yeah, democracy, it's, you know, it's mostly a direct thing.
7:43 It's kind of a, you know, on a larger scale beyond this community, I guess this would
7:50 be kind of, our system would be kind of like randomly selecting people to kind of be legislators
8:00 for a little bit.
8:02 That's kind of what we're doing and, you know, it works decently.
8:12 It might, you know, like a lot of times, well, I don't know, I mean, it does work well, but
8:25 what do I want to say?
8:31 So the, you know, on a larger scale, the issue would be one of kind of expertise, really
8:43 being clear about what is happening and really diving deep into something.
8:52 You can do that with a random selection from the population, although I suspect you need
8:56 to make sure that they can have the time and space to really dedicate to it.
9:02 Gosh, one could argue that the current politicians do not have that time and space as they always
9:08 have to do fundraising or whatever to get elected for the next time.
9:15 There's that, but, I don't know, on this small scale, I think it works really well.
9:24 We do have some elected positions that are, you know, the basic idea is that they're responsible
9:30 for making sure stuff happens.
9:35 They do make, I mean, they do make decisions, but really if it's sort of a decision that
9:42 they think that people might disagree with, then they should have at the very least a
9:48 committee meeting to get feedback and quite possibly go to school meeting to get approval.
9:55 But, you know, yeah.
10:01 So that's kind of the democracy.
10:05 Sorry, I'm rather distracted by all the stick fighting and running and jumping and, you
10:13 know, in some sense that's the real democracy here.
10:16 It's just people living together, seeing them talk, figuring out what they're doing together,
10:25 you know, they're really kind of, you know, figuring it all out.
10:39 And it's like, yeah, it's all about figuring out, you know, how to work together, cooperate,
10:57 be safe together.
10:59 And so it's, yeah, it's really having the freedom to do that.
11:06 That's the cornerstone of what our school is.
11:10 And then there are decisions that need to be made at a larger level than just a few
11:16 students and hence school meeting and JC and all those things.
11:24 I don't know, it's, it really has a feeling though that, you know, a democracy, our democratic
11:31 formal structures are things that everybody appreciates and, you know, almost everybody
11:38 appreciates not having to be there all the time.
11:42 That makes sense.
11:43 Like everybody, yeah, it's like a random sampling of the school meeting members.
11:54 You know, they really do represent a lot of times the feelings of the community.
12:00 Sometimes a few times when decisions are like, what, what were they thinking?
12:04 But oftentimes it's like, yeah, that's what everybody else would think.
12:08 And so, yeah, I'm quite happy about that.
12:11 I'm also quite happy about all the students, especially the young ones who have a real
12:16 hard time sitting in a long meeting like this and, you know, they stick to it.
12:21 So I think that's really nice too.
12:24 Oh, well, I think I've gone on long enough.
12:29 Just sort of on this day of election, you know, that the ease with which we do a democracy
12:36 here, and admittedly it's a small community, only a hundred, not 330 million.
12:42 So that's kind of an advantage for us, but you know, it just isn't about like winning
12:49 so much.
12:50 I mean, sometimes it is for some people, but for the most part, it's about really trying
12:54 to find out reasonable, good answers to what the community needs.
13:01 Sometimes having to balance with individual needs, but you know, it's quite, it's quite
13:07 useful and nice to be, to have this just working out so smooth, like it's just not, you know,
13:21 it's not a win, win, lose kind of democracy.
13:24 It's a let's figure this out.
13:26 Let's have conversations.
13:28 Sometimes it's just being supportive of somebody.
13:31 We amended a rule today that was just basically someone didn't like the way something happened
13:37 and I'm not even sure if the rule amendment adds much to what was there before, but it
13:41 was a way of venting and sometimes we do that.
13:44 That's fine.
13:46 Um, I don't know, uh, sometimes, you know, whatever was an issue a long time ago, no
13:55 longer is.
13:56 And we drop rules.
13:57 It doesn't mean that the people who pass the rules before kind of lost out or anything.
14:03 It's just things change.
14:05 It just so depersonalized, I guess it's not teams winning and losing sides.
14:16 It's just debates and deciding, you know, how to move forward with the understanding
14:21 we can always go backwards or sideways case might be well.
14:29 So that's some words about democracy on this election day.
14:34 May the day go well.